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growler_south ([personal profile] growler_south) wrote2004-04-02 12:18 pm

Outsourcing

For some reason its okay to buy cheap Nikes made in indonesia, GAP clothing made in Pakistan, automotive components assembled in Mexico, but NOT okay to have your coding and IT work sent to India.

Greed is when youve got everything you need and you still want more. In the name of greed you've given your country to capitalism, turned over control of your lives to corporations and urged them to Grow, Grow, Grow!! But now the corporations are leaving you behind, feeding their own greed quite successfully, and somehow its not okay any more.

make own bed ---> sleep in it.

[identity profile] mathan.livejournal.com 2004-04-01 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm torn, myself. After talking to someone who immigrated to Canada from India, I've learned a few things.

From our standpoint, the people in India are getting paid nowhere near what we were being paid for our jobs in R&D. From their prespective, they're getting high pay and all kinds of benefits.

So the question is, are companies investing in an emerging market, and making it better or not? Only time will really tell.

Getting laid of from Nortel in 2002, while difficult and hard to swallow, was a very necessary growing experience for me. It allowed me to see beyond just development, what was possible out there and now I'm in a position where I'm flying (figuratively) and I'm having a great time. With development, while I enjoyed the challenge, I honestly don't think it was truly my thing - despite thinking since my childhood that I wanted to be a software designer.

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2004-04-01 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"investing in an emerging market" sounds like PR-speak for "taking advantage of cheaper wages in foreign countries to make more profit in the US" which is perfectly ok if your main goal is to make more money this year than last year.

What I dont understand is why there has to be growth? The company I work for makes enough to pay us all decent wages, has enough left over to keep up to date with the latest developments, and we're all prefectly happy. Sure we're not growing but thats not hindering our ability to keep our customers happy and take home a fair wage.

I think you may be in a situation similar to mine- A great job that you enjoy for reasons other than the cash it brings in. I could be doing jobs that paid a heap more but I'd probably hate them...

[identity profile] mathan.livejournal.com 2004-04-01 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
The perception out there is that people will invest in companies through stock, if they show growth in the market they're in. As soon as markets stop growing, companies profits are flat or start taking a dive... people stop investing, the company doesn't look attractive, etc...

I'm in the same situation, definitely, but I also feel like I'm starting a second career within IT/R&D so taking a pay cut (and a significant one at that), was worth it. The company is great, the people are great...I can grow and learn a lot here.

And I get to spend 8 weeks in California over the past three months! :D

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2004-04-01 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This is true, but as long as a company is still paying a dividend to its shareholders... I know, growth is just the way it works. However it eventually gets to the stage where the only way a company can grow is to find new customers or do things more efficiently. Wages are inefficient...

Good on you for taking a pay cut to do something more rewarding though- Ironically it often seems that the people who truly enjoy their jobs are the ones who end up getting the jobs they enjoy- and being paid appropriately for it in the end...

[identity profile] pa747sp.livejournal.com 2004-04-04 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly what was this outburst in response too? (Im so out of touch with the news)

[identity profile] musclebearnz.livejournal.com 2004-04-04 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
so is sexy husbear3 going to make a "fu*k the giant conglomerates" statement and go crazy buying "knock off's" on his forthcoming trip to Thailand ?

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2004-04-04 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I wholeheartedly agree with buying pilfered Nikes directly from the sweatshop slaves who make them, at a price that more accurately reflects the cost of manufacturing.

I like the idea of a robust local economy where you buy everything from your neighbours, not from generic megamalls.