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growler_south ([personal profile] growler_south) wrote2008-03-28 03:32 am

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I believe the universe gives you what you want, as long as you're in the right frame of mind to receive it. And it wasnt but a month ago that I was thinking...

You know what, I'm sick of this. Where *is* he? Can I please just have him now? I'm sick of waiting. And if it doesn't happen soon, then I'm just going to restart*.

Result: The universe still works as I expect.


*Belief in reincarnation is the key to understanding this statement.

[identity profile] bearringsd.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. Yep.

I'm with ya, buddy. :-)

[identity profile] mikeybill.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Darling, I do love you, but the is the glibbest, most uninformed way of viewing the world, and you view it from a position of immense privilege.


But it's a belief makes you feel all warm and snuggly I'm sure. And easily explains away all the misery, poverty and every other trouble in the world."Hey, they must have been bad last time round - nothing to do with me."

I'd like to see you try and get this view across to all those people who live on less than US$2 a day.I'm sure they'd be so thrilled to hear this is all to do with their last incarnations.

[identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Meow!

That's a bit harsh, isn't it?

[identity profile] mikeybill.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, well, is it?

Maybe my tone was a bit harsh, but I really do have serious ethical and political issues with this sort of attitude.

If you carry that line of thought through, then it makes perfect sense to say "Because of how she behaved in her previous lives she gets to come back to this life as a girl living on a garbage dump outside Manila where she gets repeatedly gang-raped and beaten and robbed. What goes around comes around" or "I am happy, relatively wealthy, and it's all because of my virtues in my previous existences - what goes around comes around"

I think it is basically an uncritical self-applauding stance to take, one that ignores social and structural factors that lie beyond our control.I hear it a lot, and I just can't support it ever, no matter how much I care for the person expounding it.

[identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, when he says: "I believe the universe gives you what you want, as long as you're in the right frame of mind to receive it."

Is it really the universe that's bending to his needs... or his needs adapting to the available options? Like, you know, at 3am how your standards (or maybe only mine) are much lower than at 10pm the night before because there's a need as yet unfulfilled.

The reincarnation bit was a minor part of it, no?

Though, really, contemplating a shortcut to reincarnation is a bit silly. Isn't there a "no pain, no gain" clause in that belief system?

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
It's all about choices, I believe, and one choice is as valid a learning experience as another.

Though, for the record, I haven't got any tattoos because they'd be permanent and then- what if I changed my mind? I'm not really predisposed to anything quite that permanent, I just get frustrated and lose my focus.

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*grin*

We all create our own reality, and I refuse to believe that poverty-stricken people live lives of unending and abject misery. There's joy to be had for everyone, everywhere, regardless of privelege or circumstance.

[identity profile] mikeybill.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
we all create our own reality?

Utter crap darling.

If we are fortunate, we get to create bits of it, but vast areas lie beyond our control.

love ya ;-)

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Are you not, right now, placing yourself in a frame of mind to see the world one particular way? And does the world not, in response, appear that way to you? You have created your own reality. The universe has given you what you want. (By 'want' I mean that which you believe in, that which you expect, rather than that which you may wish for from time to time.)

[identity profile] mikeybill.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Reality exists, with us or without us to perceive it. We don't create it. We do have some power over certain aspects of it, but not as much as we'd like to believe.

That is a very peculiar definition of 'want'.

We're never going to agree on this one.

Love ya ;-)

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
It's the tree falling in the woods argument isn't it, and it can't be proven either way. Does reality exist if there's no-one there to see it? Does our own personal reality cease when we do? At which point it becomes a faith-based decision. I happen to believe that my particular dimension of this reality ceases to exist when I do, even if the echoes of it's intersection with others go on.

So I guess I'm agreeing in principle: *a* reality exists, but since my intersection with it is all I ever get to experience, in any scenario that matters *my* reality ceases to exist when I do.



[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I do love you too, but you appear to be extrapolating one phrase into an entire belief and value system, and then attributing that system to me. If I said I believed in Jesus would that make me an instant devout catholic?

I would hope that you think about what you know of me and how you see me live, and then evaluate whether your interpretation of what I said really fits me or not.




[identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
And if it doesn't happen soon, then I'm just going to restart

No, bad idea. If you come back as a tick on a sheep's ass, I'm *so* not going to visit you.

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm coming back as you, actually.

[identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com 2008-03-27 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey! What happens to me, then? Is it like Being John Malkovich where I just get pressed out of existence?

(Funny bit: I gave my sister a copy of BJM for xmas. Twice. And she already had a copy.)

[identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com 2008-03-28 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm already you, silly. And I must say, I like what you're doing there. Bravo and keep it up :-)