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I'm thinking of doing a night school or home tutoring course in Excel. It seems most everyone I know understands what its for and uses it for all sorts of things, I'd like to know what all the fuss is about. Its that thing with all the boxes eh?

I know, its something I'm supposed to have learned as a baby, like my multiplication tables. Then again, I bet you dont know how an SU carburettor works.

Date: 2005-05-11 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiltbear.livejournal.com
Well, unless you work with numbers, and that which goes along with them (adding them up, averaging them, making pretty pictures...er... I mean charts) then knowing about excel is probably not a top priority.

If you DO deal with numbers a lot, it can make your life easier.

Stick a number in each cell, top to bottom, and then at the bottom tell it to add (or average, or whatever stat function you want) and the result shows up in the bottom. Change a number in the list, the answer is automatically updated at the bottom.

Now you can point to that answer in yet another row of cells... and so on getting some sort of cascading effect... If you dont' need to do shit like that, well, what ever.

It is also a nice way to keep a list of things that need columns, and then be able to sort them by the columns...

There has got to be an "Excel for Dummies" book out there...

Date: 2005-05-11 04:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
I'm reminded of the Fox Trot strip where Jason is in a bookstore holding a "...for Dummies" book saying "I am SO not a part of this culture..." ;)

Date: 2005-05-11 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
Actually thats probably a clever idea- Excel for Dummies. Cheaper and easier than going to class.

Everyone keeps sending me Excel Spreadsheets of things like calendars and shopping lists. I finally gave in and installed Excel, and, since I cant see how it differs from using a .txt file with tabs, I figure there must be some hidden functionality I'm missing out on.

I do work with numbers, but only between -1 and 1 generally. 3D animation and effects uses powerful software that keeps me mostly separated from the nasty math that drives it (though I understand the concepts behind the math. Or, I used to.)

Date: 2005-05-11 04:20 am (UTC)
ext_173199: (Mentor)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
A lot of people MISuse Excel too; lots of people try to use it as a database, which it is NOT.

Date: 2005-05-11 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
Ah! that explains a lot of the functionality I dont understand. Maybe I should be learning...*consults palmtop, which has more MS officey-type softwares than $8k PC* ...Access? I can see the potential of a database more than I can for Excel...

Date: 2005-05-11 04:45 am (UTC)
ext_173199: (Mentor)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
*hisses*

Access stinks on ice in a blizzard. I have several friends who do database work for a living, and they ALL cringe when that word is mentioned.

If you want to learn something common and consumer oriented, there's FileMaker Pro. Something a bit more heavy-duty, there's 4th Dimension. Something free (as in beer) there's MySQL.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com
FileMaker Pro rocks. It is The Shit.

Years ago I created a database of addresses that had to be changed when I moved. I used FileMaker Pro with a form based on digitized copies of the USPS change-of-address postcard with the proper text overlayed on top of the graphics (in Courier, of course), and with POSTNET barcodes in the destination address, and printed them out double-sided onto postcards.

Total overkill, of course, but I'll do a lot to avoid handwriting.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinnabor.livejournal.com
Yea, Excel is just a grid of cells - each can be either a number or a formula that uses other cells.

If you need to do a lot of calculations, see the intermediate results, and play around with the numbers, it's handy. It's not hard to set up compound interest or mortgage sorts of things for experimentation. You can sum entire columns, do statistical things, graphs, etc.

Now, the sad truth of the matter is that like 80% of Excel users don't understand that it's a computation engine. They just use it as digital graph paper. Some will go as far as using a hand calculator to add the numbers before entering them into the cells. As long as they're happy paying Microsoft $100 to do this, we're happy to let them. The Office team has added features that make that sort of use easier.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhime.livejournal.com
Yeah, Excel is baffling unless you take a class or something. I just use it to lay out numbers and then do the math myself. It becomes a big dumb scratchpad.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:32 pm (UTC)
ext_173199: (Mentor)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
For complicated stuff, I can see that... but simple math? =SUM([select relevant row or column]) - bam, a total. =[click a cell]*[click another cell] - voila, multiplication. It's just a huge calculator. Granted, it can get a little weird under certain circumstances if you need to copy a formula from cell to cell, but the main thing is knowing what it is you need to do.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhime.livejournal.com
Well yeah, but I don't know the secret codes - I took a class my senior year of high school and then promptly forgot all of it.

Date: 2005-05-11 10:11 pm (UTC)
ext_173199: (Mentor)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
For basic math, they're the standard operators + - / *

For the rest - there's the Insert Formula helper:



...and of course, the online help.

Date: 2005-05-11 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhime.livejournal.com
Ok. I need it so rarely that I've never invested more than a few seconds in it, and I imagine it was earlier, less friendly Windows 95 versions.

Date: 2005-05-11 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smellykaka.livejournal.com
I'm thinking of doing a night school or home tutoring course in Excel. It seems most everyone I know understands what its for and uses it for all sorts of things, I'd like to know what all the fuss is about. Its that thing with all the boxes eh?

I don't have much use for Excel, but I volunteered for a "intermediate" level course in it at work nevertheless. Was actually quite interesting!

Then again, I bet you dont know how an SU carburettor works.

I know what one looks like, that's a start right? Was mildly surprised to see one under the bonnet of a Rover V8...

Date: 2005-05-11 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
There should be *two* on a Rover V8... ;-)

Date: 2005-05-11 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smellykaka.livejournal.com
There were. With a bizarre looking air-filter setup connecting them up. Part of the reason for the surprise was it looking so odd.

(likes Rover V8s)

Date: 2005-05-11 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boofbiker.livejournal.com
Then again, I bet you dont know how an SU carburettor works.

Actually I do know how it works. You go to the Garage and you find the hottest guiy who works there and you say fix this. then after several hundred dollars later it is fixed. My question to you is, do you know how to pull a 9mm semi-automatic apart and put together. Scary enough I do. Boof with guns... that's just wrong on so many levels. LOLOL

Date: 2005-05-11 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
I can dismantle a Glock 9mm, is that the 9mm pistol you're thinking of?

pop goes the cold black steel weasel

Date: 2005-05-11 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whiskerfish.livejournal.com
Image
This is a fun one to field strip.
Simple, elegant and easy to shoot.

Date: 2005-05-11 06:34 pm (UTC)
ext_173199: (Bearsona)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
Hrm. I grew up with a dad who hunted, always guns in the house. Had a BB gun and later (unsuccessfully) tried to defend our cherry tree from crows with a .22 rifle.

I would be very happy if I never see another gun as long as I live.

Date: 2005-05-11 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
Move to NZ... there are very few firearms here. Even the police are unarmed.

Date: 2005-05-12 03:55 am (UTC)
ext_173199: (Bearsona)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
I suspect I'd starve if I tried.

Date: 2005-05-12 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
We do eat more than just sheep and cows you know... theres all sorts of roots, shoots, and leaves in the bush. I know I like to root, shoot and leave in the bush sometimes ;-))

Date: 2005-05-12 07:27 am (UTC)
ext_173199: (Mentor)
From: [identity profile] furr-a-bruin.livejournal.com
I find it fascinating how people tend to fixate on the "vegetarian" part and not on the (really, more important) "FUSSY EATER" part.

As George Carlin once noted (and then went on to describe his own fussiness about eating) "'Fussy Eater' is an euphemism for 'Big Pain In The Ass.'"

I will graciously ignore the last tawdry little remark.

Date: 2005-05-11 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whiskerfish.livejournal.com
Then again, I bet you dont know how an SU carburettor works.
I know you're not talking to me!

Date: 2005-05-11 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
An SU is a gorgeous piece of fluid dynamics engineering. Full carburation, including acceleration enrichment and cold-start enrichment, from 3 moving parts and 1 jet.
I'm constantly surprised by the number of mechanics who *know* how it works but dont *understand* how it works. Of course I'm the same with all those multiple-jet Webers, I know the fundamentals but never bothered to figure out precisely what does what. I think it was the need for a separate accelerator pump that turned me off...

Date: 2005-05-11 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] growler-south.livejournal.com
I'm inspired to write a description of how it works...

Date: 2005-05-12 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smellykaka.livejournal.com
Yes, please.
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